tv State of the Union CNN August 18, 2013 9:00am-10:01am PDT
three publication put together. then again, bart and homer are a lot more popular these days than a-rod. something to think about. that's it for this edition of "reliable sources". if you have questions or comments, tweet me or use #reliable. i'll be chatting on twitter after the show. and if you missed any of today's show, you can find us on itunes or online at cnn.com/reliable sources. thanks for joining us. state of the union with candy crowley begins right now. the story of egypt takes a dark turn, and the nsa story takes another turn. today -- >> we want egypt to succeed. we want a peaceful, democratic, prosperous egypt. that's our interest. >> american values and american interests. the u.s. may have to choose. we talk with senator john mccain just back from egypt. then, mistakes were made. new revelations about privacy
violations at the national security agency. who is watching the watchers? and -- >> we want them to look back and say, this is when the rnc got it right. >> republicans reboot in boston and hillary sets up a speaking tour. hello, 2016. our powerhouse political panel sorts it out. then -- the new orleans saints, the oakland raiders and a first down for the girl from pascagoula. an update on sarah thomas. i'm candy crowley, and this is "state of the union." a new message to row tes pr tos. there is room for everyone. we want to go to cnn's nick paton walsh. nick, tell us about this message and do you see it as a warning or a conciliatory gesture?
>> reporter: i think it's important to put it in context. it's in a broader speech in which he makes it clear the army has been given authority to enact this crackdown. he's talking constantly about the need for security. and we've seen days now of government rhetoric labeling them as terrorists. so there is that phrase suggesting there is room for everybody in egypt, which many consider to be a solid brine so it doesn't reflect the tone we've heard over the past few days. >> and there are increasing calls here in the u.s. for the president to at least suspend the $1.5 billion or so that it sends egypt every year. is there any reaction to that there? >> i have to be honest, and you might hear a helicopter flying past me, i think washington's reaction has been to the september where cairo and the generals may have concluded
washington believes its relationship is important strategical strategically, but they haven't decided to alter it after a week whereas many as 1,000 lost their lives. they need that relationship to keep israel secure in the region, as well. and what we've seen so far from washington is a cancellation of military exercise. that's frankly tokenistic in many ways. the european union expressing outrage saying we'll urgently review relations, asking all sides to refrain from violence. so western powers seemingly stepping forward to say we're very upset about this and we may consider changing our actions in the future, but really the violence and crackdown here which has so many aghast haven't significantly changed the character of western egyptian relations. >> thanks, nick. it does not come more complicated than egypt. president obama summed it up in a single sentence.
while we want to sustain our relationship with egypt, our traditional cooperation cannot continue as usual when civilians are being killed in the streets. >> the president cancelled next month's joint military exercises with egypt, but did not cut off u.s. aid, not yet. his equation is this. however popular a military coup ousting an elected government followed by a deadly crackdown on protesters run counter to the values the u.s. espouses to the world. still, so much rides in the balance of what happens next. for decades, egypt has been an imperfect, undemocratic but critical u.s. ally in the middle east. the first arab state to make a cold peace with israel for which egypt was rewarded with u.s. aid. the egyptian military, where u.s./egyptian ties are strongest, has helped fight extremism in the sinai. egypt has been helpful in the u.s. fight against terrorism, a counterweight to iran and in many ways egypt, the most populous arab state, is the heart of the middle east.
many analysts believe as egypt goes, so goes the arab spring for the rest of the region. joining us now is senator john mccain. he recently traveled to egypt at the request of the president. senator, you came back a changed man, at least on the issue of whether the u.s. should cut out -- should suspend aid to egypt. what made you change your mind? >> well, first of all, i wanted to give them an opportunity to do the right thing after the coup had taken place. and it was pretty clear, to say the least, that they have not only not changed, but they have orchestrated a massacre, as you mentioned. we don't know, a thousand or many thousands wounded. we have no credibility, candy. that's the problem. because we know that the administration called the egyptians and said, look, if you do a coup, we're going to cut off aid because that's the law. we have to comply with the law.
and we in this administration did not do that after threatening to do so. and we are not in compliance with the law about a coup, which is clearly what it is. and then we thought there was possibly a deal to be made where they would release a couple of the muslim brotherhood, including a former speaker of the parliament, and in return for reductions in numbers of demonstrators, move forward with the constitution and elections. obviously the general decided not to pursue that and rejected it and decided to use force as we saw today, in the last few days. and with apache helicopters flying overhead, nothing is more symbolic of the united states of america siding with the generals. we have no credibility. we do have influence, but when
you don't use that influence, then you do not have that influence. we could be cutting off the aid, the spare parts and maintenance of these military equipment that we've given the egyptians is important to their capabilities. >> wait -- >> tourism, economic assistance, business, the imf loan. there are many areas where we could exercise influence over the generals and we're not doing any of it and we're not sticking with our values. >> and yet when you argued earlier, trying as you say to give the military leaders a chance, you argued that to cut off u.s. aid to egypt might harm israel. others also add that once you cut off aid, you've lost any kind of leverage. there is nothing after you've cut u.s. aid. >> well, again, we thought that at that particular time that it
was not the right thing to do because we wanted to give them an opportunity to get back on the path to democracy. obviously that's not the case. as i say, our interests, our values, there are consequences of failure -- consequences of any action we might take. but for us to sit by and watch this happen is a violation of everything that we stood for. and when we threaten something, as we did that we would cut off aid, the administration did, and then not do it, then you lose your credibility and your influence. in other words, the generals now are acting with confidence that we will not take any -- >> the u.s. won't do it. >> there will be no reprisals, right. >> but is it still, do you think, at the risk for israel if the u.s. cuts off that aid as you once argued? >> i think there's a risk to israel. there's more increasing unrest in the sinai. but i also would point out the mubarak regime and this regime
is stoking anti-americanism to a large degree and anti-israel rhetoric is very high. i believe that israel can defend itself, although it may be -- may be at some cost to them. but look at the cost to american credibility. >> right. >> when the president -- when the president of the united states says that if bashar al assad uses chemical weapons he crosses a red line. when the president of the united states says that iran's path to nuclear weapons is unacceptable. when we see the al qaeda coming -- rising across the arab world, particularly now, iraq unraveling, iraq, syria returning to al qaeda influence to a large degree, we are losing all across the region, and one of the reasons is, is because there's no credibility on the part about the united states actions.
>> so you think that the president has been weak when it comes to dealing in the middle east, has not followed through? you know, what is your sort of description of u.s. policy? >> there is no policy. and there is no strategy. and, therefore, we react and we react poorly. again, one of the best examples is syria, where the president said if bashar al assad uses chemical weapons, it will cross a red line. he's used them and we have done virtually nothing in response to that. the centrifuges in tehran continue to spin. iraq unravels. tremendous uncertainty about afghanistan and what our forces remaining will be there. we can go through country after country and compare that to the president's vision for the middle east in his speech in cairo in 2009. we are much -- we are much more hated and much less respected.
>> senator, quickly -- >> than we were in 2009. go ahead. >> i've got two quick questions for you. the first is there is talk now that the u.s. -- that the egyptian military, the egyptian government might outlaw the muslim brotherhood. what will be the net result of that? >> an algeria. it won't be a syria situation because they have the capability to repress. but when a third -- roughly a third of the people of egypt support the muslim brotherhood at least, and by the way, they would lose a free and fair election. you're going to see insurgency all over egypt. the muslim brotherhood has been underground for years. they know how to behave. i can see a long period of unrest in egypt and repression. and again, a violation of united states values, and our values are our interests. >> senator, i have to quickly ask you about the nsa story this week. we have learned that mistakes
were made, as they say. they don't seem to be intentional, but there was some spying on innocent american citizens through some clerical errors mostly. your quick reaction to that? >> why do we have to keep finding out this information by revelations from mr. snowden? he's giving credibility, particularly amongst young people, that he is sort of a jason bourne character. we need better congressional oversight. where was the congress in this? was the congress informed? we know that mr. clapper, the director of national intelligence, made a false statement to congress in open hearing, in a senate hearing. so we need more congressional oversight. we need more information. and can't we find these things out from somebody besides mr. snowden, who i believe was violation of his oath to the united states of america? >> senator john mccain, thank you so much for getting up early for us. >> thank you.
when we return, america's effectiveness in the middle east are at stake in egypt. we'll talk to two experts. peace of mind is important when you're running a successful business. so we provide it services you can rely on. with centurylink as your trusted it partner, you'll experience reliable uptime for the network and services you depend on. multi-layered security solutions keep your information safe, and secure. and responsive dedicated support meets your needs, and eases your mind. centurylink. your link to what's next. at humana, our medicare agents sit down with you and ask. being active. and being with this guy. [ male announcer ] getting to know you is how we help you choose the humana medicare plan that works best for you. mi familia. ♪ [ male announcer ] we want to help you achieve your best health, so you can keep doing the things that are important to you. taking care of our customers. taking care of her.
and the next thing on our list is bungee jumping. [ male announcer ] helping you... now that's what's important to us. [ male announcer ] helping you... a quarter million tweeters is beare tweeting. and 900 million dollars are changing hands online. that's why hp built a new kind of server. one that's 80% smaller. uses 89% less energy. and costs 77% less. it's called hp moonshot. and it's giving the internet the room it needs to grow. this&is gonna be big. hp moonshot. it's time to build a better enterprise. together. see lioutdoors, or in.ight. transitions® lenses automatically filter just the right amount of light. so you see everything the way it's meant to be seen. maybe even a little better. visit your eyecare professional today to ask about our newest lenses, transitions vantage and transitions xtractive lenses.
experience life well lit. ask which transitions adaptive lens is best for you. help the gulf when we made recover and learn the gulf, bp from what happened so we could be a better, safer energy company. i can tell you - safety is at the heart of everything we do. we've added cutting-edge technology, like a new deepwater well cap and a state-of-the-art monitoring center, where experts watch over all drilling activity twenty-four-seven. and we're sharing what we've learned, so we can all produce energy more safely. our commitment has never been stronger. folks have suffered from frequent heartburn. but getting heartburn and then treating day after day is a thing of the past.
same time, but the first thing he said was egypt has room foefsh, but he went on to talk about the authority to crack down on terrorists. he said securing the state will remain the main objective and the sole mission of the army, the police and the egyptian people. translate what that means. >> it means there will be a crack down, they won't put up with the street riots and the confrontation that is becoming bloody and armed on both sides. but it's not new language. >> so egypt as much of the arab spring and all of this, it is so reminiscent of the mubarak era. the question is now what happen to the muslim brotherhood. does this become terrorist versus the state? gr it's different from the mubarak period because the mubarak period was a period of generally opening up and for the last ten years, you have greater freedom of speech, greater
freedom of association for the muslim brotherhood if general. that's why the brotherhood did so well in the elections because they had been organizing. instead of going forward, egypt is now going backward. i think all the nationalism, all the xenophobia, it feels the direction egypt is going and the problem is egypt's economy is based on being open and welcoming tourists and the trend lines to me are running exactly against where the trend lines for the economic and social -- >> hard to make a case that you you should vacation in egypt at this point. >> for the third year, there won't be tourism in egypt. >> the problem is that both sides feels this is the fight, that the army can't survive if the brotherhood wins and the brotherhood can't survive if the army wins. and this doesn't give much middle ground. >> and doesn't say much about the future of egypt. so when you look at the just role in all of this, senator
mccain who said don't cut off aid now says yeah, we need to. >> $1.3 billion. >> but isn't it symbolic? >> symbolic to a certain extent, but to think that you could actually change his egyptian policy or the policy of the general by threaten i ening the is not going to work. it gives you some money on the other he saend of the line whehe than for years to broaden and deepen the relationship. we got them to pivot in the cold war. now we're clearly moving in to a period where we'll try to narrow that relationship. that's going to have consequences for everything we do in the middle east and everything that happens on the border. >> but that's on egypt, the choice to narrow this relationship really came from egypt. >> that's right. >> so what are the consequences to the u.s. for that?
we went through at the top of the show what about israeli security in gaza and sinai. what happens to the suez canal and our access to that? >> but all of those came about because of the peace between egypt and israel. and it was predicated on a certain the ofamount of assista the egyptian government and its military. you it thtake that away and thee is gone. >> the united states has played an important role and people don't being a knowledge it. the u.s. has played a huge role lubricating israel's relationships with the rest of the world. >> giving them money. >> when there are problems, why don't you have this meeting. all these little things that we have done to try to make the israel/egypt peace work more smoothly. if we don't have a good relationship with egypt, that
role becomes more difficult. >> is israel in danger? >> and $1.3 billion, the gunneries, the uae, the saudis, they're ready to step in. >> so yes or no cut off aid? >> i don't think it matters. >> it won't have an effect. but if people frame it as a choice if it's our values versus -- >> for values purposes, i think it is good to say that we are living up to our values and suspension of a certain specific part of the aid is certainly indicated. >> the broader issue is we're going to have to come to a different understanding of our relationship with egypt. i think it's good. there has been resentment on each side that we're underappreciated for what we do. it's good to revisit it, but it may be a different relationship going forward. >> it appears they hate us certainly on the streets.
so one does have to wonder. i wish i had a lot more time here. you bring lot of light to the subject. jonathan, ned, thanks for joining us. members of congress are getting an earful about the nsa from their voters at home. advice van hollen is next. perfection. new heartfuls from beneful baked delights. help the gulf when we made recover and learn the gulf, bp from what happened so we could be a better, safer energy company. i can tell you - safety is at the heart of everything we do. we've added cutting-edge technology, like a new deepwater well cap and a state-of-the-art monitoring center, where experts watch over all drilling activity twenty-four-seven. and we're sharing what we've learned, so we can all produce energy more safely. our commitment has never been stronger. trust your instincts to make the call.
to treat my low testosterone, my doctor and i went with axiron, the only underarm low t treatment. axiron can restore t levels to normal in about 2 weeks in most men. axiron is not for use in women or anyone younger than 18 or men with prostate or breast cancer. women, especially those who are or who may become pregnant and children should avoid contact where axiron is applied as unexpected signs of puberty in children or changes in body hair or increased acne in women may occur. report these symptoms to your doctor. tell your doctor about all medical conditions and medications. serious side effects could include increased risk of prostate cancer; worsening prostate symptoms; decreased sperm count; ankle, feet or body swelling; enlarged or painful breasts; problems breathing while sleeping; and blood clots in the legs. common side effects include skin redness or irritation where applied, increased red blood cell count, headache, diarrhea, vomiting, and increase in psa. ask your doctor about the only underarm low t treatment, axiron. but it might just be my favorite.
[ female announcer ] welcome to the new aarp. we're ready to help you rediscover purpose and passion with programs like life reimagined to inspire you and connect you, resources to help turn your goals and dreams into real possibilities. aarp, an ally for real possibilities. find new tools and ideas for work, money, health and fun at aarp.org/possibilities. glass on floors. daily chores. for the little mishaps you feel use neosporin to help you heal. it kills germs so you heal four days faster. neosporin. use with band-aid brand bandages.
a general impression has, i think, taken hold not only among the american public but also around the world that somehow we're out there willy-nilly just sucking in information on everybody and doing what we please with it. that's not the case. >> that was the week before last. now, according to an internal audit published by "the washington post," the nsa broke privacy rules thousands of times, accessing or saving details about domestic e-mails and phone calls of u.s. citizens. the report says for four months the nsa used a method that a judge later ruled unconstitutional and that officials did not report the full extent of their errors. chris van hollen voted against an amendment that would have ended some of the nsa surveillance capabilities. congressman, any second thoughts
here now knowing that mistakes were made? >> well, not on that particular vote. but no one should misinterpret that vote. that was on the amash amendment. i have serious concerns about what's going on at the nsa. i think obviously we need more oversight, as senator mccain said. but i think we need to change the underlying patriot act and the fisa amendments of 2008. i voted against the reauthorization of the so-called patriot act because i believed it was too loosely written, there was room for abuse. so i think we need to undertake lots of reforms. the amendment, i don't think, did the trick, frankly. i think there are much more important things we need to be doing. >> so are you comfortable with the fact what we know now, which is that the nsa does take in every phone call number in america on a daily basis, brings it all in, keeps it in case they need to go look at it, they'll
need a judge's okay for that and now we're learning that, yeah, they did make mistakes, some of which were in violation of the constitution, a judge later found out. and yet 3,000 instances, 2,000 instances not big, except some of those instances involved 3,000 americans whose e-mails or phone calls were then monitored. >> right. and i think we need to make reforms to prevent that from happening. in fact i'm working on an initiative to do exactly that. so there's a distinction to be made between the collection of
raw data, right? nsa having exactly what the phone companies have. and what's the test? what's the standard for the nsa being able to search or query that data? right now you have to have a reasonable suspicion that that phone number was involved in terrorist activity? nsa can get that unilaterally. you do not have to get advance notice from the fisa court. i propose before they do any kind of query, any kind of search, they have to go to the fisa court. and at that step in the process,
we also have what's considered a citizen's advocate to take the adversarial position. i think most people are concerned that nsa is willy-nilly getting content or doing searches. i do believe that we make sure that that can never have. >> even if they're not getting content or searches, they're getting a heck of a lot of information as everyone who knows what that phone data is, should someone choose to misuse it. >> that's the key point, should they choose to misuse it. so if somebody has -- if you had reasonable suspicion that a phone number was involved in terrorist activity, i would want you to be able to query that quickly. i would want you to figure out who that person is calling. my concern is that the official at nsa gets to make that judgment by themselves without going to the court and before the court you don't have an adversarial proceeding. >> one of the fisa judges that listens to these, hey, can we go
look further into this, u.s. district judge reggie walton had this to say recently in "the washington post." the fisc, meaning the court, is forced to rely upon the accuracy of the information that is provided to the court. so the nsa brings all its information to the court and says, hey, here's our information. and they have got no way to independently know whether that information is correct or complete. and let's face it, spy agencies want to spy. it's what they do. they want to keep us
safe. and the more the better for them, we understand that. >> that's right. and sometimes the nsa folks come after the fact to the court and say hey, court, here's what we say happened. here's what we believe happened. just approve it retroactively. so here's what i'm saying. you need to get advanced approval for even a query. certainly you need to get
we need to make sure that that process works, that system works. we can look at ways to modify it down the road, possibly, but let's get that in place. and i am very concerned you have many republicans in congress now saying that they're prepared to shut down the government if we continue to move forward with obamacare and with establishing these changes. >> and those republicans would want me to add that there are also many republicans who say we're not going to shut down the government so we'll see what happens. >> we'll see who will prevail. >> september will be interesting. congressman chris van hollen, thanks so much for coming by. >> thank you. when we return, hillary clinton is giving a series of policy speeches. are they her prelude to 2016? especially today, as people are looking for more low,
and no calorie options. that's why on vending machines, we're making it easy for people to know how many calories are in their favorite beverages, before they choose. and we're offering more low calorie options, including over 70 in our innovative coca-cola free-style dispensers. working with our beverage industry and restaurant partners, we're helping provide choices that make sense for everyone. because when people come together, good things happen. ♪ he's a 20-year-straight, get to work on time ♪ ♪ ♪ he's loved one woman for all his life ♪ ♪ ♪ everybody knows he ain't just tough ♪ ♪ he's strong [ male announcer ] the all-new 2014 chevy silverado. strong for all the roads ahead.
>> i want to show you a figure that caught my attention. the question was how is president obama handling the economy. his approval rate in mid-august, early august, 35%, down from 42% in early june. what does this or does it do to the arguments next month in congress with the white house about debt ceilings and budgets? >> this is a conversation that the american people want not just the president but members of congress and others to have. that is, they want jobs. they want the congress to focus not just on keeping their jobs and winning the next election, but also providing jobs for the american people. that's what those numbers reflect. >> but they also reflect that they don't think the president is delivering. so does that strengthen anybody's hands? >> if you look at the economy, the president is not delivering. certainly the republicans have passed a series of pieces of legislation that boehner keeps referencing that would allow jobs to be built, such as the pipeline down through nebraska that the president is killing. there are quite a number of
similar energy positions, energy projects that the president's e.p. and others have killed with hundreds of thousands of jobs lost as a result. if we had job creation from the bottom of his recession, which is june -- july of '09, the way we did from the bottom of reagan's recession, we'd have several million more jobs today than we do now. we have a lousy economy. >> i just have to disagree. >> you want to call it a good economy? >> it's an improving economy and by zero measure, zero measure can you say anything otherwise. every indication shows that the economy is getting better. i think those poll numbers do reflect, as donna was saying, frustration that things aren't moving more quickly. >> and congress' approval rating, by the way -- >> congress' approval rating is much lower than the president's. republicans in congress approval ratings is at 26%. people right now are frustrated with everybody in washington. but polls also show that the gridlock and the obstructionism is being attributed more to the republicans than it is to the
president or the democrats. >> when nancy pelosi was speaker, i remember when the approval rating of congress was 11%. so you can't tell people who are out of work and have been for a long time or can only get part-time jobs that the economy is improving. that's not what people want to hear. you've got african-american unemployment higher under this president than it was under george w. bush. you cannot tell people who are hurting that it's getting better. they don't want to hear that. they don't want to hear it from pundits. they don't want to hear it from the president. >> before you say the word sequester. >> we need to create the kind of jobs that the american people need in order to survive and prosper. >> let me get you back to what i promised here. we had this rnc meeting in massachusetts. chris christie, not always a favorite among conservatives certainly in the republican party, had this to say about 2016. >> it's a matter we have to win.
if we don't win, we don't govern. if we don't govern, what we do is shout into the wind. and so i am going to do anything i need to do to win. >> so new jersey, right? i'm going to do anything i need to do to win. first of all, he's running. >> yeah. >> right? >> i agree. >> and second of all, is there anything wrong with that message? >> the question is you want to win. he wants to win as a republican. he's going to be what he has been as governor of new jersey, a successful lower tax, less spending. his battles have been against the teacher union bosses. he's been able to do what other politicians haven't, which is say i'm for education and the teacher union bosses are stopping us from being able to accomplish that. with throwing money at newark at schools and there's very little education happening. until we break the teacher union abuse and get real education, it's not going to work.
so he's not moving left. he's actually being more conservative in terms of taking on the union bosses. >> let me throw one more name in this and then i'll let you go. and that is another person not running for 2016, hillary clinton, announced that she was going to do a series of policy speeches. this isn't that she's out helping women with microloans, she's doing stop and frisk and she's going to take on some other really substantive issues. so how does she stack up against chris christie? >> oh, look, first of all, i'm not announcing this, but i just saw this this morning, that all of her paraphernalia, it's ready. her t-shirts, her buttons, everything is out there. >> from someone else. >> from someone else. we don't know if she's running. that's the big unknown. what we do know is that she's going to fill a void, i think not just in the democratic party and the republican party, she's going out there with ideas so the american people can start to chew on them, whether it's
national security policy, foreign policy, domestic policy, people need to hear that. >> she's hitting the demographics she needs. remember when she was running for the senate or not running as she did a listening tour. now she's going out there and talking at people. >> a talking tour. >> she's talking at people. she's letting them talk at her but she never converses with people and she doesn't want that interaction. she doesn't want to have to answer questions and she doesn't want to answer questions as to what her role was in some of these obama policies and what she would do about them. >> let's let mo get in here. first of all, we want to just note that you work for hillary clinton. you're friends with hillary clinton. but you -- and it's interesting that you're now over at the dnc. i want to put that out there. >> well, i'm excited to be at the dnc. i don't know if she's going to run. no one around this table knows if she's going to run. >> we know she's going to run.
>> i realize you're on her speed dial, but come on, nobody knows if she's going to run. here's what i do know, though. what happened in boston at the rnc, the only thing that unified the republicans was beating up on hillary clinton and beating up on cnn. they did nothing but alienate those same demographics they know they need to start being more competitive, latino, young people, by continuing to push a failed agenda. wlechb we return, a "new york times" columnist says good things about the candidate which doesn't help the candidate. neosporin. use with band-aid brand bandages.
neosporin. see lioutdoors, or in.ight. transitions® lenses automatically filter just the right amount of light. so you see everything the way it's meant to be seen. maybe even a little better. visit your eyecare professional today to ask about our newest lenses, transitions vantage and transitions xtractive lenses. experience life well lit. ask which transitions adaptive lens is best for you.
are you flo? yes. is this the thing you gave my husband? well, yeah, yes. the "name your price" tool. you tell us the price you want to pay, and we give you a range of options to choose from. careful, though -- that kind of power can go to your head. that explains a lot. yo, buddy! i got this. gimme one, gimme one, gimme one! the power of the "name your price" tool. only from progressive.
folks have suffered from frequent heartburn. but getting heartburn and then treating day after day is a thing of the past. block the acid with prilosec otc, and don't get heartburn in the first place. [ male announcer ] one pill each morning. 24 hours. zero heartburn. continuing with our panel and 2016, one of our favorite topics here.
i think the vice president is upping his game. is this a place marker, do you think if hillary clinton said i'm running that joe biden necessarily backs off? how will that play out? >> i think he should give it every consideration. he is a veteran of running for president. he's a well-known commodity in this country. he brings tremendous assets to the table. >> but let's just say he does run. do you think he could beat hillary? >> it will be a competitive primary no matter who gets in the race. but i don't want to handicap the race. it's too early. i'm a neutral player, but as you know the haven't will serve as keynote speaker at tom harkins' annual steak friday. that's a big event. >> first of all, it is august of 2013. so we just need to look at the
calendar here. i think this may be difficult for biden. he might test some waters, but he could be very embarrassed. a sitting vice president who doesn't have the support of the party? i don't think he would be the support of president obama. i know the clintons and obama don't get along all that well, but they need each other. and let's face it, it's because of hillary clinton that we even know who barack obama is. has she waited to run in her own state of illinois when the seat opened up, we never would have heard of barack obama. >> jump in here. >> i just want to keep going because i love these attacks that have been going on since 2000 and earlier. they didnnidn't work before and won't work now. i'm actually glad joe biden is going to iowa and i don't be grudge any republicans going to iowa. it was competitive state race in
2014. so let both parties send their heavy weights in. >> both new hampshire and iowa have reason to want the big names in. >> i want to read something from a columnist in the "new york times" writing on sunday about jeb bush. if republicans care about safe guarding their future, their wisest and best bet may be to reach back into their past. in a packed not exactly brimming where moderate sensitive voices, bush's stands out as less stride event, more reasonable and more forward looking than his potential rivals. >> i'm not sure whether he's helping them, but he the more left of center columnist makes the observation, jeb bush would have his brother's and father's rolodex. he was a successful governor for eight years, but successful
under the old rules. he would be competing with things that illinois can't do, detroit can't do, california can't do. he's the guy who did what a lot of failing big states, new york, hasn't been able to do. he did it working where the democrat house and senate guys. so the new governors, scott walker who took on organized labor, chris christie, so he, scott walker, both of these guys have more accomplishments as governor than bush did, partially because the bar was lower when bush was there. and he had a pre-reagan republican party, guys who joined as democrats and weren't quite with the program. walker had a more republican legislature in wisconsin. >> i like the idea of all of them being vocal to help define the party instead of just having one person or a detractor do it.
i think it's a great bench. >> there is a difference between everybody out there being very vocal and everybody out there tearing each other up. >> the problem with the republicans right now is you have those people, you also have the rand pauls, the ted cruise otherwis kruz oigs of the party that are pushing a message of exclusion, a message pandering to the tea party. and what i see is these governors and others chasing that, trying to say they can play on that field, as well. and so the party seems to -- i don't think it really learned its lesson from 2012 and the primary process there. i think the republican party continues to pander to the right, pander to the tea party crowd. >> the tea party gave house majority to republicans in 2010. and i think we need to remember that. this is a disorganized group of amateurs and they were able 20 do what the establishment consulta consultants --
>> they falsified to the american people repeatedly. >> i wanted to say two things since i'm not a republican. jeb bush and chris christie have appeal perhaps beyond the republican base. the republican base i think is stuck in the past. but can i say one thing, because i need this one moment. in a few week we'll celebrate the 50th anniversary of the historic march on washington. and i know next sunday when you're back here on the air, you'll talk about the march on saturday the 24th. but this is a period of time when you think about the republican party that did embrace voting rights, that did embrace civil rights. and i would hope that as we celebrate this milestone, that republicans would join us, democrat, and bring about a powerful message how we can heal the country together? >> i would give you the last word except she ran us out of time. >> we're pals.
>> okay. i want to thank you all. come backs. when we return, the referee determined not to be the odd woman out. help the gulf recover and learn from what happened so we could be a better, safer energy company. i can tell you - safety is at the heart of everything we do. we've added cutting-edge technology, like a new deepwater well cap and a state-of-the-art monitoring center, where experts watch over all drilling activity twenty-four-seven. and we're sharing what we've learned, so we can all produce energy more safely. our commitment has never been stronger. over 20 million drivers are insured with geico. so get a free rate quote today. i love it! how much do you love it? animation is hot...and i think it makes geico's 20 million drivers message very compelling, very compelling. this is some really strong stuff! so you turned me into a cartoon...lovely.
and i knew he'd feel better if he lost a little weight. so i switched to purina cat chow healthy weight formula. i just fed the recommended amount... and they both loved the taste. after a few months max's "special powers" returned... and i got my hero back. purina cat chow healthy weight. that your mouth is under attack, from food particles and bacteria. try fixodent. it helps create a food seal defense for a clean mouth and kills bacteria for fresh breath. ♪ fixodent, and forget it.
finally, a word from sports world. the saints and the oakland raiders met under the friday night new orleans lights and it gives us a chance for an update on someone we introduced you to a couple of weeks ago. >> thrown by drew brees. >> arm chair quarterbacks watching the saints and raiders saw a pretty standard, sometimes sloppy preseason game. >> and a one-hand catch and he fumbled the ball and moore will recover it back. >> the stats show 14 of 18 passes completed by quarterback drew brees. >> caught by jimmy durant. >> seven sacks by the saints defense. >> he gets hit by the blind side and sacked. >> and one woman referee working her way up. >> and she is attempting to become the first female to work in the national football league. >> they announced it during the game and probably talked about it in the stands and the family room, but from what we know about sarah thomas, we're
guessing that out there it was the last thing on her mind. >> collectively we're one when we're on that field and we're all out there trying to strive for the same reasons, the same goal, to work the perfect game. the fact that i'm female, i can't change that. i'm out here as an official. >> she's already a fixture at the collegiate level, but thomas told us a couple of weeks ago the big leagues is a big, fast step up. >> what's the biggest difference to you? >> the speed. these guys are phenomenal, gifted athletes. very quick and very athletic. >> her nfl preseason debut friday seemed to go just fine but now it's back to college level ball. the soonest thomas might be tapped for a full-time nfl position is the 2014 season. she would be the first woman to achieve that. and then sarah thomas has got another dream. >> i want to go unnoticed just like the other six guys on the field. you know, they're guys, but they want to go unnoticed. let the game and all the focus be on the players.
>> right. about that game friday night, the saints beat the raiders, 20-28. thank you for watching "state of the union." i'm candy crowley in washington. next week i'll have an exclusive interview with senator ted cruz from his home turf in texas. if you missed any part of today's show find us on itunes. just search state of the union. a special programming note. catch prince william in his first interview since the birth of baby george tomorrow on "new day." 'fareed zakaria" starts now. this is "gps," the global public square. welcome to all of you in the united states and around the would recall. i'm fareed zakaria. we have a great show for you today. we will start with violence in egypt. bret stephens and peter beinart disagree as usual. then, is america overregulated? does the government have altogether too much of a say in how we live our lives? i'll ask the man who put many of the obama administration's regulations in place, cass sunstein.